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THE OVERVIEW OF GREEDY GREG & WEST COAST HIP HOP | PART 2 | EPISODE 8 | "THE SIC SHOW "


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The Overview of GREEDY GREG one of the biggest Record Industry Executives and Manager of some of the top selling Songs and Artist of Hip Hop. We dive into his humble start and his Magical ear for hits and Artist. Part one of this Overview we talk | TON LOC | AMG | DJ QUICK| DEATH ROW | 2nd II NONE | PENTHOUSE PLAYERS CLIQUE |RUTHLESS RECOREDS | and much more.


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About: Tha Chill from CMW "Compton's Most Wanted" , MONTAGE ONE whos Beats and Lyrics have entertained many for years and MannyUP whos experience as a Producer and Music Executive brings a well rounded discussion.. From a West Coast perspective. for all your Wellness Needs: https://www.modernqure.com/ Contest/Giveaways: https://www.sickblocktv.com/contact


SPEAKERS

Montage One, The Chillcmw, Greedy Greg, Manny Up


Manny Up

Yes the sic show part two, the overview of greedy greg



split Gods



come to suppose on



the south side


The Chillcmw

late late, late late



last night



My name is ej quick. Come over here with Tomas is camera killing my homeboys



we got to be Catholic by delta.



right we got to do a cipher right here.



He just fucked up the camera.



Man's camera. Alright,



let's decipher



Mr. site. Are you


Greedy Greg

okay? We used to have the studio upstairs. Okay. I actually I remember that I used to take pictures so I had a backdrop in front of a window right now at the bottom. It was a rosebush. slothful rosebush. So I had a partner of mine. He was a pimp really a pimp. He always wanted to rap and he come over with his hoes and stuff. And he wasn't that good. But I've worked with him because he's my partner. Right? So how showed up by yourself one night, so everybody was upstairs we're playing music holes, garden phrases backdrops are taking off the clothes and dad was


Manny Up

we'd make it in the back in the garage.


Montage One

No, we were down the street drinking fucking 40s bro problem zactly


Greedy Greg

so I don't you know, I'm loyal to person. I called him as a man. Pit hold on bitches. Man. I can't wait a few minutes.


Montage One

Fucking hang


Greedy Greg

out with a trench coat on Fedora Tilda down in a blank dag unambitious size that saw in her eyes Oh


Manny Up

no, she was out of pocket out of pocket so one of them she jumped out the window but



Oh hell no


Greedy Greg

landed in the rose bushes in front of the house and ran down the street and as a big dumpster that she ended up hiding from him in the dumpster


Montage One

wow just take a pimp hand was held strapped on


The Chillcmw

my head was called as gorilla


Manny Up

tripping rose


The Chillcmw

warns in them right right. She's naked in this and popped out right that's gonna happen either way. She


Greedy Greg

came back like the next day to get her clothes.



With Dorn stealing


Montage One

like Christ.


The Chillcmw

Oh my god.


Greedy Greg

I don't mess with other people's woman.


Manny Up

No, no, no, exactly. But they got up in there seen that music equipment and that backdrop and it was like Hollywood. Is Hollywood going? Crazy? Definitely. What was dope is when you did do outbursts got what a distribution deal through JMJ legendary Jam Master Jay


Greedy Greg

Russell's. Okay, okay.


Manny Up

Tell us about that.


Greedy Greg

Right What can we Russell? What can a Def Jam you know doing a deal with Def Jam was like one of the best things in my career because I learned a lot on the promotion side. Okay, I love working with them because they had an open checkbook. That's how you want to do this. Okay.


Manny Up

Wow, you know, I knew what they were doing


Greedy Greg

and know what they were doing. You know, a lot a lot of the stuff we deal with delta and we spent our own money me and my partner at our



exam


Greedy Greg

staff it was it would be hard for me to ever do a girl group again.


Manny Up

Tell me some pitfalls. Just generally not just with them but that you see if you don't want to blow them I'm just


Montage One

emails argue


The Chillcmw

that was before. Before escape mocha stuff, of course.



Yeah. Right. Yeah.


The Chillcmw

Skype is a spin off mocha step


Montage One

from the SW on the same track. Right right. Right right total Yes. wv. 702. brownstone


Manny Up

had a huge record though. bogus stuff. Song had a whose scene?


Greedy Greg

It was. I was at our Kelly concert. At an Ontario business center aren't


The Chillcmw

tried to get him. No. Yeah.


Montage One

Did you go back to the house with that?


The Chillcmw

are trying to get mocha?


Greedy Greg

Oh, no, no, no. No, he before he was performing, but he didn't even have opening that. So here the DJ, and this would make me realize that record still. Yes, like years after the record, they played the racket in women to start


Manny Up

it was a woman's rotation. Yeah, it's still we still get


Montage One

to say I actually recently just thinking Oh, cuz you know, Jay was fucking with the old girl the dark skinned one out. Stephanie's


Manny Up

been smoking the stuff that's



funny. And


Montage One

I came across one of them. I think it was staff and I saw this Facebook page that was dedicated to the group and it was like very active kind of as far as like, oh, it still ends like really like. Yeah, you know, I'm saying so I was like, Oh, okay. They really love that song. Like, you know, I'm saying, Hey,


Manny Up

that was a huge anthem song for him. And he was my Yeah, and they go steal saying that.


Greedy Greg

That was the great thing about the air that I was working because a lot of songs became errors. I mean, Apple Music donate times. Good.


Manny Up

Right. It's true. And it was a lot out there was a lot of entails a stand out during those times. Yes. Very, very dope. They had a great great great, yeah, great album.


The Chillcmw

So you have mocha stuff on Def Jam. Who else was on Def Jam Domino? No. He was he was doing business with Def Jam.


Greedy Greg

I was doing business with Def Jam he


Manny Up

was making Def Jam money


Greedy Greg

doing well one of the one of the download that's when they came up with Yeah, right warranty. Moto G which


Manny Up

made him a lot of here


The Chillcmw

was Dickie the first person they fucked with on the west Domino


Montage One

Yeah, yeah.


The Chillcmw

Shout out to Domino's


Montage One

shout out man that was


The Chillcmw

done to scale


Greedy Greg

East Coast every now and then East Coast going to still kind of dry what happens every every


Montage One

region but you gotta understand that's also the beginning of an error of West Coast control bro like we control that smoking law like we actually everybody wanted to give the South the credit for converting the East Coast to like finally not sounding like East Coast rapper rapper anymore. But really that started with the West Coast shit because they finally gave in to all that shit. I remember a time when he was not given NWA and all those fucking groups that kind of Prop and then like now if you talk to New York niggas like they don't mention a couple of West Coast niggas as a favorite rappers first I swear to god is yeah it's almost crazy like to hear that is total dominance but yeah,



it's true bro.


Greedy Greg

Well, a lot of new york listeners would listen to West Coast music in the closet


Montage One

right that's what i'm saying i know that bro high note and they would they would they would disco in conversation or witness say nothing, you know?


Manny Up

But do you go to the club and he had and somebody performed how I fucking know the words if you listen to exactly


Greedy Greg

Well, I talked to New York people back then they said because we didn't come out there and they'd like to get to know you. Fair that's fair. You haven't come out here and hang out with us so we that's why we were



right.


The Chillcmw

You know one thing I knew from going to the east coast back then it was if you go anywhere cocky, then they gonna show you how cocky days. You go humble. Yo, I'm saying I was in New York shade 99 own up to the 90s and stay fuck What is today's day? Right? I just want to hang with him. That's it. Yeah, see? I mean, we'll tell you like no yo yo, cookies in the truck join Hey, we gotta walk down Tim blocks I'm walking no more. y'all niggas walk we don't walk. But I mean it was the same thing down south you know I'm saying I want to you know, in the Midwest as well you especially the Midwest you go to Cleveland and places like that.


Montage One

Yeah, you know, the Midwest probably have the most love out of everyone first. Cuz I think a lot of mid I don't know how but I think a lot of Midwest people ended up in Cali like is we


Manny Up

we often the Midwest. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying so it's great my duration here but you


The Chillcmw

go there and they will let you know where you at. Right? Come with that West Coast shit right yeah all that cousin blush shit ain't going for well now they will do because they got a but back then



yeah right


The Chillcmw

yeah they let you know


Greedy Greg

New York or the Midwest both now it was kind of I talked to people about gang culture in New York right no but the Crips out here


The Chillcmw

right right i think they biggest game was the Latin Kings is shit yeah but now the magical out days Bloods and Crips everywhere


Manny Up

everywhere everywhere in New York all right we gonna take a quick break and let montage do one of his saying oh


Montage One

well because I want Randy to be here for the other one I'm gonna start with the record of the motherfucking week from so folks actually know I'm gonna switch over into pod gas in a week because that's my favorite ship photographer just walked in so with that say hold on we got some special normally you know I'll be bringing them big bags through you know all kinds of Cush you know purple stuff cookies all that but today we working with the marathon which is a pack Woods collaboration okay. The marathon Oh gee to get this let me open it up and where am I on camera? I'm kind of doing good on camera. Let me get this bad boy open. I come on in photographer you you you have you don't only want to get the access to just cross all kinds of lines. But um, yeah, this is a marathon Oh gee, that's basically in two grams. This hour. Two grams I two grams of flour in this tube right here. Let's see if we can actually get it out. Um, it's a little sealed.


The Chillcmw

Got that drip?


Montage One

I might Yeah, got that got that emoji vampire candle drip on it but it's definitely gonna come out later but yeah, this is that marathon Oh gee. Shout out to a queue for actually bringing this through I forgot the name of the person who had actually belongs to but let's just guess that we can get at them by either probably finding them with pack woods on i g look them up at pack Woods I'm pretty sure they establish that if they didn't you really fucked out because I was an easy way to establish yourself and we're gonna get nice and high after these messages so yes, oh yeah. Oh, here I am a man actually made


The Chillcmw

man that's trying to do that thing will you I'm saying you can get these farmer


Montage One

where gangster meets vans my nigga. That's right.


Manny Up

That's



bad.


The Chillcmw

How are we can keep it old school hidden


Montage One

cameras. Give it to me. I'll show the cameras as you saw


The Chillcmw

him now that that master gas you got


Montage One

Okay. Give me a camera. Give me a camera. d di


Manny Up

d i play there's something else.


Montage One

Okay. All right, daddy. No, he's


The Chillcmw

a golfer you



don't let me see that. Yeah, that's


The Chillcmw

that part of


Montage One

the pie toad. I told him early that this brought back like 111 ops. memories. Shout outs to one elevens Oh, just because they have so far back and I went to school with all the niggas Jay O'Shea fucking dub c dubs. He tried to steal my pig nose nigga devils def Nick. He didn't get away with it though. He


The Chillcmw

still worries I'm sure I got these on deck. You know I'm saying I log into my website is boondock calm. Calm you I'm saying with all the links will be shared with the shoes. You know, I'm gonna keep that old gangsta drip. Yeah, that's right. And for our


Manny Up

audio listeners on our podcast networks, we talk about golf hat taking you back to 19 8019 with the new scribe, of course,


The Chillcmw

the hairnet gotta head out to pick


Greedy Greg

up there.



Oh, yeah.


The Chillcmw

Well, we're live your records you got my


Montage One

man we just got move in and a record of the week here. So folks right here 4317


Manny Up

talking about a two mother


Montage One

son record and he was actually talking about Def Jam. And that's crazy. Because I mean, we didn't really set that up but damn is such a big part of the game. It's kind of hard to skip around. He gonna talk about him at some point, but this is Foxy Brown with Oh yeah. And what is this other one BK anthem. You know what I'm saying? Def Jam shout out to them. They actually put on a lot of people they gave a lot of love to the west. I'd like to say that the west side label and this is that record of the week is $10. And you can get it from mother and son record spell the sun like you would in the sky. And that's their IP and their website and they're here as so folks. So we just gonna sit there right there and let that marinate and we got all this, you know, kind of sponsor shit out the waste. What What else? We all man you got any more crazy stories? greed Like what? What you want to do?


Manny Up

Okay, well I'm gonna keep it going. I'm gonna keep it going. I'm gonna keep it going. So we deepen outbursts right now. I've got hit records hit songs working with Def Jam. You learn a lot about their promo department who was a promo who who did you go to? liaison with your record through Def Jam.


Greedy Greg

JOHN Stockton okay. West Johnson. Tina. Tina Woods tinatin record Def Jam Tina was she worked at Crystal? She was okay.


Montage One

All right over there with Mars. Oh,


Greedy Greg

Kristin, she work into the publishing department. Okay. She was larhonda Sutton's assistant okay christless Publishing right okay. We did a deal I did a deal publishing deal with them for Domino. Domino blew up. He decided he would become a producer I helped him out with shabba ranks we produced the shabba ranks record


The Chillcmw

wow daddy wow



yeah



yeah,



that's a Joe


Greedy Greg

Yeah, then I had a give a shout out to some some groups that I did that should have made it didn't make I had this guy named Morocco t


Montage One

shout out to Morocco to give me shots out D hurt demand I remember his name he was like


Greedy Greg

mystical before mystical right but he was I didn't know


Montage One

I remember that whole situation we do for some reason. I remember Hey,


Greedy Greg

you got some good records he has a big booty bitch we were if anybody knows back in the day the words out the box


The Chillcmw

yeah job.


Montage One

Video box


Greedy Greg

so yeah, we did this videos nachi video is gonna boil up on the box. Next thing though they shut the box down. That kill that killed


Manny Up

game is gone. Rocco T was gone. Right?


Montage One

Remember him? And I remember y'all saying he was crazy.


Greedy Greg

Yeah, remember that? He called me somehow he got my new phone number. And he called me left me a crazy ass message. Or is my fucking royalties


Manny Up

never even came



I heard on the radio.


Manny Up

That's a great segue. Let me get to that that's a great segue because they nicknamed me greedy not because you're greedy because I know better and right around here but that was a good night and greedy Greg but when we do talk about the record industry and artists and you work closely with big big giant artists and it's not like he was in there royalties, but the perception of artists in general not just what you just period in the record business how do you really feel to artists really get cheated as much as they say by everyone? Or is it just how they cut their deals and who they make the deals with


Greedy Greg

one thing to record business you never get all your money



never


Greedy Greg

you always chasing some old money never ends up in your wallet or your you know, I mean I actually got a lot of money out here from 30 years ago I know I never go see right you could do is keep pushing.


Manny Up

exactly exactly.


Greedy Greg

The main thing about the whole business in with a lot of artists don't kid if you want to you want to really make money be consistent. Right continue to keep pushing product all this you know make a record then five years later I'll do another record as


The Chillcmw

well as you guys do with somebody


Montage One

Yeah, well you know where you got to be established at that point he was talking about in the middle of like breaking yourself like you got to go and that's still the standard actually is turned up like 20 fold because like these niggas attention span is


Manny Up

with social media now you can sell your music out there.


The Chillcmw

Yeah, but it's just what you said. He told him music out there ain't only a little bit of it as good. Game is quality quantity. Yeah, we know quality.


Greedy Greg

The new artist think everything they put out is dope. Oh, that's right. They make a record Monday night Tuesday night. This was


The Chillcmw

right, you know, and he never put it up on Instagram.


Greedy Greg

You can follow me on SoundCloud. Yes.


Manny Up

And with technology a lot more people can throw out music that couldn't and so the filter because you know back in our day, you had to know a greedy or you had to have some bread to get up in the studio and people just wasn't gonna throw you in the studio and waste time right now. Anybody could have some protein Ryan. closet is out there and


Montage One

on and on that knows on the phone these days. I want to ask you, how do you feel about Okay, cuz you can't From obviously a golden air that they say and so now we were talking about a couple of weeks ago a week ago whatever we've been going hard actually doing shows bro like two a day so I'm proud of that but um we were talking about how records are now being broke literally on Tick Tock it's almost like you got to team up with a nigga that's gonna do crazy things like this nigga now barely you can go to nude and be like Yo, like he can he's got leverage she can be like yo do slide me like 100 racks I'll make your shit The next song or whatever you know I'm saying


Greedy Greg

like they go off of starting at $500 $500


Montage One

to to do a tic tac toe someone yeah okay cool. I might have been extreme but dude but first of all Joomla he might be at 100,000 right now. niggas in here you know he's doing shitness repetitive or just silly as fuck and he's just going like millions with the views end



up having the stars do the same


Montage One

right and he's got now he's got people really stepping in so how do you feel about the game?



breaker record record?


Montage One

Yeah, yeah. From from breaking it the old way to now how do you feel about the old payola


The Chillcmw

get a DJ to record? Black here, man with the money up on the record?



That really doesn't work.


Manny Up

You came by the record pool? No dinner.


Montage One

Yeah, how do you how do you feel about like how it breaks now?


Greedy Greg

Oh, yeah. I hate social media. Right? Yeah, bullshit, right?


Manny Up

It's tough.


Greedy Greg

You buy everything that? Well, the hit is just how to break a record. Me personally, I'm gonna go to the old and proven method. Right. Right.


The Chillcmw

Right. Right, right to record businesses yummy.


Greedy Greg

I'm not gonna lie to you never social media will lie to every


Manny Up

show. Well, that's not as that's definitely true.


Montage One

Or in the case of like, the June, the June thing and breaking records. They're really like him. And the music's just playing in the background. And the music's cool, but I go lie. I've never been moved through all of those June videos to really go and even see who the fuck the music belongs. And I only know that section of the song because he plays the same section like, bitch, I got some drop. Yeah. So it's just I realized that and you're totally right. Like it is a facade, because it's not really you liking the artists that much. It's just you liked how that music was brought into your visual. And it happened to be funky. And then the radio said, Oh, that's the shit. And now it's like, it's just playing and everybody's focused on


Greedy Greg

Well, it's become more of a visual game. Right? You know, like I said, we got to get your visuals right? Not only happy music signing right, halfway. Good. You got to look right.


Montage One

Would you believe that your music is now this is my philosophy that your music is now your business card is not actually with the way this game works. Now, it's not actually the bread and butter any more or close to it, it had some ranking back in the day. But now it's literally to pop. A lot of your music gets out there for the free. And then you figure out how to especially before COVID everybody's like putting music out, let it get hot. I'll do all these shows. You know what I'm saying? So it's just kind of like converted a little bit since maybe he was when he was doing a super heavy


Greedy Greg

music to me. Free Ride. He basically he can give her give her away. Even now I tell people but they don't believe me. I said still manufacturers of flash drives or some CDs. Give them away, right? But people are manufactured to CDs and they say like, Hey, bro, you wanna buy my CD? Right? Right?


Manny Up

I haven't bought a CD in like 10 years.


Greedy Greg

Give it to me I might listen to Right, right. But don't try to sell me on it. Right? Give it to me because you can find any recommended. And then the universe just


Manny Up

just tell you


Montage One

no t shirt has gotten his golf fucked up in the game. Like, he made it seem easy, you know, Santa, and then you had nipsey coming in. He like reiterated on. This sheet is easy, but it's really it was the quality of their music and what they were doing at the time that was making a move for everybody


Manny Up

to know, wouldn't it because he did the first $100 album. He was like if I can just get 1000 people to pay right? I'm dead


Greedy Greg

right about maybe about four years before Nick came out. He came to the studio and I couldn't. He came in, but his focus was still in the gang call rocker. So when I tried to recording he's looking at his phone. Oh man, I gotta go a couple of times I told you guys bottom I like man. Right?


Manny Up

I'm good good no generation. Yeah, they'll just do generation I then he got focused. I just watched him grow the whole time and and he got real focused and real serious and so


The Chillcmw

he was CDL crush all slots and back in the days a little kid and I didn't buy the CD I gave him the money and said keep it right Dan. When I ran into him at snoops. He was like, do you remember me? Huh? I'm like a nymph. I know he was young. He said I may you gave me some money for my CD. CD wouldn't even want


Manny Up

to keep going


The Chillcmw

down as you say.


Manny Up

Hey, growth Yeah, made out there. And it's still the same way right now. I was just looking different.


Greedy Greg

Well, like if I see someone see on some CDs if somebody approached me. If they give it to me, I'll give them some money. Yeah. Hey, homie. Yeah.


Montage One

That's the slawson Swami style right? Can I just go to my car nigga or get a bean pie real quick? Like I'll


Manny Up

buy the CD but I don't even have anything to play it in. Right? I'm just buying it to be nice right?


Greedy Greg

Okay, so crazy but this generation you know it the studio I have turntables albums. I have NPCs that this guy come in. Okay, man, I need to take that towel. Put in computers. Hey, man, how do I get it from this machine?



Wow. Yeah, really?


Montage One

Right, like sending the ship copying and pasting and all that on a damn


The Chillcmw

typing keyboard.


Manny Up

Can you can you spread out the beat and put it on the board? And really?


Greedy Greg

That was first introduced to me. subflow right. And I was like,


The Chillcmw

that's wack. Yeah, we all didn't know. True story. Can I tell the story real quick. So look, I'm at gritty. Greg's house right at the studio. We back me AMG. We have CPO over to your boss. We sitting up and subflow white guy cool white guy. He kept every pair of Jordans you would ever think well I mean one of those type of grind. And he came in with edible This is when edibles first crack and cry right right. He had a brownie beguiles brownie and some Starfall shit. So we go to me like you want some of my own fuck with that shit. The only online and you know I talk CPOE Yeah, give me dry. I'm gonna put my eyes I'm gonna put some gene on mine for a minute. So, long story short, we all took some y'all mean some like man, she was bullshit. Given the murder. 330 1000 Yeah, it was right behind sub flow. He had this big ass speakers in there. For some reason it was turned all the way up. subflow got his computer trigger into 3000 I was making the one beat for snooping and run on. Remember, I had that big ass bomb sent out Paul. Right. So the month we sit in there, all of a sudden that should go. Blow. I'm Tom ball so incredibly loud, bro. I thought the roof was missing. I'm like, Oh my God. And then I'll end it. That's when it kicked in. I looked up. Yeah, the couch over here. I look straight at CPO. He say don't evac like you wouldn't even escape



the roof here What


The Chillcmw

the fuck happened? And I say that because we didn't know about computers. I didn't I didn't know about computers like that he controlling a drum machine through with his computer media time code or some shit, right? Yeah, I'm saying and I'm like, Man, what the hell? He said my name. No, it was talked up like that. Now I'm stoned. I fell asleep in your mic booth. I woke up the next day everybody was gone. I was.


Montage One

Yeah, I had some heavy shit. crazy stories essentially CPO


Greedy Greg

ate that edible and remember the other room was the weight room?


The Chillcmw

Yeah. laid out on the floor. began CPR.


Manny Up

Now do you find yourself like I'll deal with new artists and have you if you found new artists do you get that same feeling like back in the day with AMG quick and second anon is a different are they attitudes different? Are they still hungry and want to work? Are they lazy and want to throw you a beat on a phone? How do you see the new cats if you still working with young cats?


Greedy Greg

The other night? Some kids come from Memphis rappers and they come in about four feet. 1080 pounds. Okay, what do you got? Oh, he plays his video for me. Geez. Dude, every gun you can imagine I started a video to you to see nothing else to Tommy guns. Like so what am I supposed to do with this? You know? And he was like, well, man, this is what they want to hear. I don't even know how to promote this. Yeah, I've


Manny Up

seen people go to jail showing guns on social media. That's what



they should be.


Manny Up

That's crazy. That's crazy. It's


Greedy Greg

crazy. But then the next night I was watching I was watching the documentary being documented. And what I realized was I thought about this Okay, what it is is just generation they don't know they don't say nothing flies slick you know construe


The Chillcmw

big he says fly lines original original he did. Yeah, right. He was slick I said


Greedy Greg

so this generation to me seemed like they just tried to jam it down your throat Yeah, I got some guns I got a bunch of guns


Manny Up

right and I got more guns.


Greedy Greg

more guns than you


Montage One

Yeah. Or they'll rap about the same glazy or Glock every two lines and just mentioned something else that they're doing with it. I got shot you an ass with it. Then I brought in your girl's mouth



Yeah,


The Chillcmw

I think I'm up over here so I'm gonna be trying to top it with you know I like that song I could do it better. And that's how to shoot to seem like there's just a long as verse right? everything sounds the same.


Manny Up

And now Are we just getting that kind and it's the underbelly of great young artists that we just don't get


Montage One

Oh, no, no, no, I get it because as I told you, I defend these young Okay, braided up bread and they here as with all my older homies who be hating on some of these niggas and don't even know that some of them got scale, okay? Because they look like little Yachty they just not trying to hear him, you know what I'm saying? In my opinion. People like myself, you you and you, we need to be real hip hop historians. And listen or just music historians period as I explained to somebody like I want to know what's the dopest country and what the wack country is. I want to know what the dope is opera is and what the wack opera is, I just want to know the difference. So it's no you know, just skipping on niggas because they look like you know, little Yachty I'm gonna listen and and I'm gonna be be able to say like, This shit is really dope. And I'm gonna be abl